The Meaning of “Women Must Learn in Quietness and Submission”

The Meaning of “Women Must Learn in Quietness and Submission”

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In 1 Timothy 2:11, Paul writes Timothy, “A woman must learn in quietness and submission.” Paul also instructs women on how to dress and what to avoid. Is this just another expression of ancient, patriarchal culture that sought to suppress women? What might this cryptic text mean, and how does it relate to the historical situation of the people he was writing? In today’s Seven Minute Seminary, Dr. Gary Hoag explains how ancient context illuminates this passage of Scripture for us, and the result will surprise you.

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One Response

  1. Dr. Hoag.
    As you have noticed, many comments here reflect the common reaction to exuberant, self-affirming, newfound documentation that supposes to reinforce existing deviations from time honored interpretations—orthodoxy– –theologians from the first century until today.
    Thank you for pronouncing your “socio-rhetorical” lens as being key to your treatment of the passage and for the historicity of Paul’s writing to Timothy, the Ephesians, Corinthians, etc. Perhaps those who enjoy your teachings as do I will research “socio-rhetorical” and do their own personal studies for conclusions you perhaps were not able to suggest beyond the suppositions of academic wonderment.

    Your eisegesis then is eye-opening, much as an archeological discovery purporting to affirm that some dinosaurs died from indigestion.

    But the abuse to the text at hand, men, women, church governance, and order within the local church must be noted. This passage is not so “complex” (save “childbirth”) as you need promote. That is unless, you insist on marrying Xenophon with the biblical text–enjoying the historical conundrum and the irony of dogmatism necessary for desired, predetermined outcome. (i.e., women in the role of Elder/Bishop/Presbytery)

    Again, many who follow your teachings may likely be disappointed at this approach for the obtrusion of text that is inevitable. The whole of Paul’s teachings lend no credence to the socio-rhetorical outline presented here and I am not suggesting that you necessarily disagree with this statement. But the absence of such reporting as well as cross-referenced biblical contradictions make such a lens of viewing to be contrived at best.

    I find the story and historicity interesting to be certain–much as a thesis topic in search of a PHD student. Perhaps that is the heart of this video then and presenting as such offers the “Genetic Gene ” of proof needed to expand liberal, progressive views, further degrading and undermining the gospel such as our Methodist Denomination evolution before us.

    Our Presbyterian schools of theology well demonstrate the enterprise of undermining God’s word in preference to cultural appropriations and compromises born of unrepentant carnality in the ranks. Their fate and ultimate demise is self-inflicted from academia to the pew. Might we learn anything from them? Must Methodism also continue to educate itself into the insecurities necessary to prefer friendship and love of this world over doctrinal purity necessary for meaning and existence as the church? (see Bishop’s vs. sensible African leaders and congregations)

    If not, then gastric disturbances of the dinosaurs do not seem so farfetched after all.

    And yes, I did over speak, and I apologize to the extent that this response would be better in a format other than this.

    Thank you again for your work and research. I look forward to your presentations as they are so often stimulating and uplifting.

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